To me you sound very extremist, sell your dongle only because THAT game (because there's only a few games that are still unplayables, not counting the BDisc games, you can play those) is not released yet... and say that's an economic choice?, come on, $70, how much can you buy with that?. To me sounds like: "ok if you don't release the game that i like, I sell your product to someone else", very childish... Didn't you think that those are not maybe your favorite games but could be good ones that you can also enjoy?
Is ok, is your choice...
Yep, my choice :-)
I am happy with it, and wish happiness to you all (tb owners, and non-tb owners) :-)
Going out to the disco and drink some beers with my wife ;-)
Boo hoo. 'Their' argument pre-clone was "well TB is a premium solution to playing new games". By that logic this is a budget solution for playing new games a little later. There is always a price premium for early adopters.
Choice is good and $20 for the 5 - 10 decent releases so far is well worth it. I have three three ratails games from the list sat on my shelf that I wasn't happy to pay another $60 to play. $20 is way better, if I buy one more compatible game that's only $5 premium per game for using them on CFW and I'm willing to pay that to enable quick firmware changes with no hardware.
If this is compatible up to 2.4 only and even if TB release 2.5+ eboots I'll still go with the cheapest option as in 6 months time 2.5+ will be cloned and that wll probably be another $20 so I'm still saving $20 with free shipping.
I only care about single player as I am on CFW anyway so not playing a hot game the moment it is released isn't worth shit to me so I'd rather pay $20 and get a library of known working games than $60 on a promise that some more unknown games might be released.
Well the product being cheaper makes sense, but it siphons off of the work of others. And so the people that buy the cheap dongle are in effect stealing from people that bought the dongle. If the clone did produce it's own eboots like True blue there would be real competition and no actual problem, but the clone here relies on TB to be a success and I think they see that, that is why this dongle is so cheap, they will make their quick buck and leave. You will have no one to turn to, with TB so disgusted they leave as well, and the eboots quit coming. You bring the scene back to stagnancy proving that we never lack ways to tell people furthering the scene to f*** themselves. Release an eboot, and you can go to hell. Make some homebrew, and you can just suck it. Don't even think of helping anybody because we'll troll you and your whole family. If your name is not Math, we don't want to hear what you have to say.
And people that think jb2usb will satisfy you. Nothing will satisfy you. Some people are never satisfied. People were never satisfied with TB. True Blue controls the eboots, and so they can stop releasing them. And you can get mad, but their only reciprocating the big "F*** you" you sent them. You are replacing "pay tb and tb will get you eboots" with "pay clone and tb will get you eboots". Don't like the big mean nasty businessman, I have a big secret to tell you. *whisper*the clone guys are pretty much the same way, if not more so*whisper*. Don't like the drm, it's there too, don't like the frequency of releases, not any better than TB. Everything you hate about TB is present and at many times is magnified in the clones.
I am amazed and dismayed at how far reaching scene politics really is. I always knew the scene enjoyed the stagnancy of the past year. It allowed living, breathing, fakes to basically survive on scamming. All it took was "I am working on this, donate please" and people rushed to fall for the scam, only to be told later on "I gave up". And then Cobra and furthermore TB released dongles. And suddenly the wellbeing of the scammers was threatened. The scene itself started the long trek towards consuming itself. The elites made promises to "crack the dongles" but we all know that was a lie because then the scammers would be "helping teh warez mongrelz" and they can not have that on their "spotless moral record", they would be revealed to be scammers AND warez mongrelz. They still have some control, kind of like Bioshock. The scene, controlled by the elites rushing to end any progress to be made for their beloved masters. The way I see it, the clones are the products of the elites. They're basically damage control. They're the attempts to push TB to quit so the elites can regain their status. It is saddening, because at the end of the day, I just want to play a game, not have the scene politics shoved down my throat or worse, prevent me from playing the games I want. This isn't a game of cat and mouse between the scene and Sony, or TB and the clones. This is a game of cat and mouse between the scene and those that simply want to play games on their gaming machine. This is the only scene that is averse to playing games on your gaming machine. It is blasphemy to even think of games. It is sad that what was once liberating is now used as a chastity belt.
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I am amazed and dismayed at how far reaching scene politics really is. I always knew the scene enjoyed the stagnancy of the past year. It allowed living, breathing, fakes to basically survive on scamming. All it took was "I am working on this, donate please" and people rushed to fall for the scam, only to be told later on "I gave up". And then Cobra and furthermore TB released dongles. And suddenly the wellbeing of the scammers was threatened. The scene itself started the long trek towards consuming itself. The elites made promises to "crack the dongles" but we all know that was a lie because then the scammers would be "helping teh warez mongrelz" and they can not have that on their "spotless moral record", they would be revealed to be scammers AND warez mongrelz. They still have some control, kind of like Bioshock. The scene, controlled by the elites rushing to end any progress to be made for their beloved masters. The way I see it, the clones are the products of the elites. They're basically damage control. They're the attempts to push TB to quit so the elites can regain their status. It is saddening, because at the end of the day, I just want to play a game, not have the scene politics shoved down my throat or worse, prevent me from playing the games I want. This isn't a game of cat and mouse between the scene and Sony, or TB and the clones. This is a game of cat and mouse between the scene and those that simply want to play games on their gaming machine. This is the only scene that is averse to playing games on your gaming machine. It is blasphemy to even think of games. It is sad that what was once liberating is now used as a chastity belt.
whole post was poetry but this sums it up nicely.
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^ its not really competitive as TB is the only dongle maker releasing fixes.
So what? "Team" TB used graf's Hypervisor RE work to figure out a way to run new games on old firmware. Then they devised a way to sell that knowledge, instead of just opening up the machine for everyone. I can't judge them for their morals or ethics, because I honestly might do the same if I were in their position. They made a key that unlocks their CFW, then sold the key (the dongle) for about a $55 dollar profit over manufacturing costs. Nothing in the firmware is very special, a few patches to enable fselfs to boot is pretty much all that's required... oh, and their sneaky little eboot patches. All this new cloner did was make a key that unlocks TB's CFW, but instead decided to sell it for a profit of only $15. You immediately get what, 60 or 70 games playable? So what if TB stops releasing or makes a "New V2 dongle"? In the shady grey market area of piracy devices, lowest price wins, every time.
@Adamsville Not to mention their whole model of business is the theft of services that TB provides. It would be like if someone tried selling you wifi, but they were obtaining access to it illegally. Some may be satisfied thinking since they paid for it they are in the right, but in some jurisdictions it is just as much a crime if you know that they were giving it illegally. Sort of like buying things you know were stolen. Of course due to the grey area TB is in, nothing is likely to be done against those that buy the clones or the clones themselves since they are in a finicky market anyways. Still, I doubt they enjoy having their services stolen, and they may cut them off if people aren't going to pay them for them. And then we will all be back at point zero, on our hands and knees, desperate for someone else to come along and liberate us from the stagnancy. Or perhaps that will be the final nail in the coffin and we have the shortest lived scene in history, moving on to other scenes or going legit one way or another. Or hopefully someone becomes motivated and/or skilled enough to move the scene forward, though with the way things are, I doubt anyone has the desire for death threats and slander posed against them.
Originally Posted by svenmullet
So what? "Team" TB used graf's Hypervisor RE work to figure out a way to run new games on old firmware. Then they devised a way to sell that knowledge, instead of just opening up the machine for everyone. I can't judge them for their morals or ethics, because I honestly might do the same if I were in their position. They made a key that unlocks their CFW, then sold the key (the dongle) for about a $55 dollar profit over manufacturing costs. Nothing in the firmware is very special, a few patches to enable fselfs to boot is pretty much all that's required... oh, and their sneaky little eboot patches. All this new cloner did was make a key that unlocks TB's CFW, but instead decided to sell it for a profit of only $15. You immediately get what, 60 or 70 games playable? So what if TB stops releasing or makes a "New V2 dongle"? In the shady grey market area of piracy devices, lowest price wins, every time.
With this scene only scammers win. You're right, you can't judge them, but you are judging them. You say the knowledge is open, yet I don't see an open solution anywhere. Fact of the matter is, while we were all on our hands and knees for these "open" devs no solution showed up. They had the tools, the knowledge and most of all, the donations to do something, yet nothing came out of them when it came to helping teh warez mongrelz. You keep on going back to them, tell them how you want to play a game and listen to them tell you about how there is a special place in hell for you. Makes you wonder how much abuse one can take before they snap. Yet we have plenty of masochists that think if they treat others like shit (and that includes themselves), one of these devs will be merciful. I'm not talking about good devs, they do deserve the praise they get. The elite devs are who I am talking about here.
It's very funny how those 60 games were never enough with TB but suddenly it becomes a good deal with hit and run clones. They'll disappear and next TB update a new clone will come out, TB update, new clone, TB update, New clone. See where I am going? A clone may seem cheap, but when you have to buy a new clone every TB update, those clones will become more expensive. You'll probably just say TB will come out with a new dongle, but I say, what is your proof? JBK works with 2.4, and JB2USB works with2.5 so when 2.6 comes, will we see another clone? And if what I say is true, will people admit they just got scammed, or will profiting suddenly be okay? If these clones turned out to be products of the elites, would people realize they had allied with an even greater evil, or would they resume worship of their lord and savior Math? At any rate, one will still need a TB to play the games the clones can't play buy a second ps3/update their ps3, so one does not save money if one of the games they like is unplayable with the clones.
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Since the other thread has been closed for some mysterious reason...
When ever you guys who are going to try this budget solution get your device could you answer some questions that I am sure everyone wants to know the answer to:
1) Is it compatible with v2.4 games or v2.5 games?
2) Do you directly load the TB dongle uploads or is the dongle firmware different?
3) How is compatibility with RebugTB and what is the games compatibility like?
4) How happy are you to pay $20 instead of $60 for the back catalogue (please refer to question 1)?
My order won't go in until after my holiday so I don't expect to see one at my door for at least 6 weeks!
Following the discussion over @ps3hax, seems that jb2usb MAY (and i say may) have been made by TB as a way of selling more dongles at lower prices. I can't answer all your question, I can say that it is compatible with all v2.5 games. But the question is WILL jb2usb (or if TB is the maker of it, then TB) released or be able to release new games if for example again trueblue updates and protects their dongle with new security?
And I believe that the TB eboots work so no u dont have to get other types of eboots. The main question is will they update it to be compatible with even newer games..
Originally Posted by mountain_bike_dude
Since the other thread has been closed for some mysterious reason...
When ever you guys who are going to try this budget solution get your device could you answer some questions that I am sure everyone wants to know the answer to:
1) Is it compatible with v2.4 games or v2.5 games?
2) Do you directly load the TB dongle uploads or is the dongle firmware different?
3) How is compatibility with RebugTB and what is the games compatibility like?
4) How happy are you to pay $20 instead of $60 for the back catalogue (please refer to question 1)?
My order won't go in until after my holiday so I don't expect to see one at my door for at least 6 weeks!
A quick check at the whois of "True Blue" webpage and the "JB2USB" webpage reveals that the owners of them live in the same city: "shenzhen"... what a funny coincidence ;-)
Originally Posted by TatoVR
