I totally agree with you. The ps3 scene is like apples and oranges. Which what led to the Ps3 scene like it is today. I mean (currently) TB are the only group of hackers to atleast keep the ball rolling for 8 months+ while the (Free Scene) only lasted for 5. Stuff like what Naehrwert is doing is actually causing more harm.You know and I know once the payload be released (if it does) the hackers will say "what they did and how they did it" just for Sony to patch it. Why spend so much time in reverse engineering a dongle when in the future people will just fault him for the drought of games in the future. Believe it or not TB is NOT the enemy neither is Sony. Sony is doing their job of keeping hackers out. And TB is doing their job of trying to secure their dongle to prevent a future "outcry" from happening.
Fun question for whoever Can you imagine how many people would have a CFW Ps3 without going to the xbox scene if TB never existed?
Great fun question...... so why are we bothering with Ps3 if you can have it all on Xbox360?
Well honestly, I own an xbox and a dualbooted ps3. When it comes to backups "Non Ps3 Exclusives" A 360 will be the BEST choice to make. Now if you "like I do" care about blu-ray, Ps3 Exclusives such as Metal Gear Solid, God Of War, Grand Turismo, Uncharted and etc..etc.. then a ps3 would be good. I am kinda playing more on OFW than my cfw. Hell honestly I only played like 5 TB patches since I bought it in march. Also I kinda went through the trouble of getting an xbox because of the "lack of eboots" and etc..etc.. and winding up just getting my ps3 dualbooted (long story) and just ended up buying regular games like Max Payne 3 and etc.etc.. for the multiplayer but most games I play rely on online content and multiplayer and before I got my ps3 dualbooted I really got bored of my CFW only ps3 without the PSN. It's just people are trying to compare the ps3 scene to the xbox360 scene and you really cant compare apples and oranges. But I can say if you dont care about the ps3 exclusives or blu ray why waste time waiting on TB patches when you can have it all on the 360 beats me.
Eventually all good things come to an end:
If major companies like nintendo, Microsoft & Sony can get HACKED, why cant a small company like TB get hacked, it was enevitable it was going to happen it was just a matter of time..,.. I own a TB dongle, and have been greatful for all what they have done for the scene, But its a vicious cycle, when these consels are coming to the end of there sell by date they all get cracked open, PS1, Dreamcast, Ps2 xbox, xbox360 & Ps3,
New consels are on the Horizon so these Coporate companies aint got time to bother with old consels they are looking to the future, and the Sony Ps3 is old school now.
60 bucks was well worth it... But i wouldnt invest in another dongle for the Ps3
Well I wouldnt say TB are a small company.. a small section of a larger company.
Hacking the TB dongle is not exactly inevitable.. the hardware they use is US military grade stuff.. to be quite honest, if I found an exploit to the dongle itself I wouldnt release it because if you can exploit the TB then you can exploit US military hardware.
Not something Id like to be associated with personally
The dude who did it is a Ruski though so that may not worry him hehe
USB sniffing without expensive equipment like the cloners would have is out of the question to.. lots of junk data
Well I wouldnt say TB are a small company.. a small section of a larger company.
Hacking the TB dongle is not exactly inevitable.. the hardware they use is US military grade stuff.. to be quite honest, if I found an exploit to the dongle itself I wouldnt release it because if you can exploit the TB then you can exploit US military hardware.
Not something Id like to be associated with personally
The dude who did it is a Ruski though so that may not worry him hehe
USB sniffing without expensive equipment like the cloners would have is out of the question to.. lots of junk data
"TomatoSauce" is saying the True Blue dongle is from Area 51. The hardware isn't that tough, just throw it against the wall or submerge in water, hell plug it in with other USB's while updating and it might kill it.
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That's like saying if the US military used intel processors, then intel processors are "US military grade."
Anyone can buy and program an ProASIC3, there is a "ProASIC3 for military" but it is only "for military" because it has a higher (and lower) temperature tolerance, its not "super duper" secure or anything. Its simply a low-cost, high performance fpga that true blue decided to incorporate into their product.
How would you attack it then?
Its not exactly a simple method of removing the SPI and dumping like was explained with the JB2 clone dongle
I know of a few methods.. Bump reading, the key that was leaked a yr or two ago (all references to it have gone now) & a piggybacking type method (I believe was patched out in older revisions).
Basically you will have as much luck dumping the TB as you would dumping a military chip.
Without access to my PC with notes.. from memory (dodgy at best), the data is stored encrypted on the SPI, the ProASIC3 then decrypts it and sends it through to the PS3.
With no "easy" method of dumping data off the ProASIC. All you will ever be left with is a jumbled mess of data.
Maybe youre right though.. it's actually like saying the PS3 is military grade because the military used to hook a shitload up and use them as cheap super computers.
This guy obviously has done it though which is great! As I stated before, I'd love to know how he did it as it's no easy feat
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How would you attack it then?
Its not exactly a simple method of removing the SPI and dumping like was explained with the JB2 clone dongle
I know of a few methods.. Bump reading, the key that was leaked a yr or two ago (all references to it have gone now) & a piggybacking type method (I believe was patched out in older revisions).
Basically you will have as much luck dumping the TB as you would dumping a military chip.
Without access to my PC with notes.. from memory (dodgy at best), the data is stored encrypted on the SPI, the ProASIC3 then decrypts it and sends it through to the PS3.
With no "easy" method of dumping data off the ProASIC. All you will ever be left with is a jumbled mess of data.
Maybe youre right though.. it's actually like saying the PS3 is military grade because the military used to hook a shitload up and use them as cheap super computers.
This guy obviously has done it though which is great! As I stated before, I'd love to know how he did it as it's no easy feat
I haven't the slightest idea how one would go about decrypting the payload, I was merely pointing out the fact that the chip isn't anything fancy. TB's coding efforts used while PROGRAMMING the ProASCI3, however, are pretty fancy and are the only reason it's taken so long to try and decrypt their payload.
I was reading oct0xor's twitter and it seems a few months back he successfully decrypted the payload for cobra with a PC, someone asked him if it was possible with TB, and he said probably. So I think their method of decryption is PC related.
Ok well you're right.. its all in the programming of the chip itself.. going by everything Ive seen, they put more effort into security than ANYTHING else.
I did have a brief chat with him a while back, he was at our forum but never posted unfortunately
Guess he got in with the "bigwigs" and was happy with that
Oh well, more time to focus on more exciting stuff!
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