Point agreed - there's so many things wrong with this scene that you don't even know where to start at all and on top of that, you don't even exactly know how it turned into a freak show full of spastic scene donkeys!
The main thing WRONG with this scene is all the talk about whats wrong with the scene and these talkers doing nothing about it. If you have time to think of thesis/novel size posts, then you have time to learn how to code.
PS3 Slim w/ Rebug Rex 4.30.2, 500GB Internal, 1TB/3TB External; PS2 Fat McBoot w/ Hard Drive; Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
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A JTAG/RGH is the solution? How is that a solution? Instead of paying for a dongle, your paying for a nand reader, and a glitching chip, and extensive soldering work. If your able to solder yourself, the two solutions are roughly the same in price. But that's OK, your not paying for a dongle to pirate your games. Your paying for other equipment to pirate your games. As long as there's no dongle involved, we're good to go to pay to pirate! But wait! We're going to pretend we're all pissed about TB or E3 having DRM on it, while hiding that we are really pissed we have to pay. I'm sure you boycott all DRM though. Don't buy any PC games with DRM, or didn't buy music of iTunes with DRM, etc. Or is TB DRM the only bad DRM?
The word 'dongle" now has a stigma attached to it that makes it seem like buying or supporting one is equivalent to letting someone rape your sister. (Surprisingly, TB's dongle doesn't infact physically rape you!) We don't know exactly how well the E3 will work, whether it'll be the same kind of delays for new games as TB, or if there will be a streamlined approach that isn't so "slow" (though there's a ton of actual TB releases out there, though sadly not all the "popular" titles). But telling someone to buy a RGH 360, or to RGH their current 360, instead of using a dongle isn't a solution. It's an ALTERNATIVE. Hell, the dongle is the easiest backup solution. Instead of soldering, or flashing firmware on the drive, you plug in a stick, and install custom firmware. If there was never a "free" solution available, this kind of hate for TB or E3 wouldn't exist. People get a sweet taste of how great and easy the free solutions were, and refuse to ever go back. The initial open-source dongles, and original custom firmware, was wonderful. I loved every minute of it. But I don't assume that entitles me to future free solutions. So instead, your going to show them by retiring your ps3 and go buy a new $250 RGH console. You showed them. Hell, can you imagine the kind of "outrage" that would exist if the next ps3 solution would involve a intricate solder install like the RGH? People have no issues paying for a RGH, or learning to solder it themselves, but theres no way they'd install a Progskeet to even downgrade their ps3. Installing a progskeet in my 256mb console was MUCH easier than the first few Fat console RGHS I attempted (haven't tried SLIM yet)
People are just going to have to face it, every console is going to have a "paid" solution. You can either buy a dongle for the ps3, buy a X360USB2 and use Jungleflasher to flash your 360 (plus a SLIM PCB, and other tools depending on situation), or buy a NAND reader and glitch chip for your 360. They are all roughly the same price. Dongle is the easiest, RGH the hardest (relative). Flashing your 360 could be a cheap solution if you try to use a SATA card instead of X360USB, or know someone who can do it for ya, but than you'll have to bug them for updates. PS3 has to deal with the obstacle in having a ps3 with firmware > 3.55, as do 360's now with the new hurdles Microsoft introduced for RGH. 360 crowns over the ps3 in how fast you can get new games out there to play, but we'll have to see how E3 does with their releases. The dongle and both 360 solutions have their advantages and disadvantages. 360 has a marked edge with a much older "scene" and much more developers. We're going to have to wait and see what TB brings next, as well as E3, for the ps3. If what they bring isn't good enough, than you have the ALTERNATIVE off switching over to 360. And I'd rather have the most options available.
(this post was brought to you by someone who has a flashed 360, is getting his SLIM RGH'd, and doesn't own a TB.)
You're wrong, you can, in fact, build your own RGH Chip, you can build your own Nand Reader/Writter, same way in the early days with the first generation dongles, after devs cracked the very first dongle, PS Jailbreak, everybody was able to build their own dongles, of course you had to pay for the parts, of course you had to know how to solder that part together, but the knowledge involved into making all that things work together, was free, and any user or any dev, was able to get the source code, and make it better, or just learn from it and use that knowledge to create new hacks.
Don't get me wrong, I support TB, I think they have a legitimate business, and it's in their right to put a price on a product that involved research, that involved hacking, that involved a dev/devs, that worked hours, days, maybe months to get it working. If you're a developer, and go to a job interview, are you going to say: "Nah, I'll code for free, I f*cking love learning stuff, in fact, I can even eat knowledge and shit code" ?
Im not waiting for anything from this scene. Ive given up on it over a year ago. I just check up on this site from time to time just to see if it picks up, but its just the same old over priced dongle BS. All im saying is that i agreed with a few others here that this is the worst console scene and that with all these dongles you have to buy, your better off getting a RGH 360. And also that it would take a huge ps3 exclusive to even make me consider buying another dongle.
1. The dongles aren't that overpriced. When I bought my cobra it was only like 30 dollars. And 60 dollars is nothing for a TB for what amounts to 137 games. I don't own a TB though, I want to see what effect E3 has on them before I ever make a decision of which one to buy if I do buy one.
2. If you have patience and make your decisions wisely, you should only have to buy ONE of them, and that is only IF newer games are worth it. If you MUST have the newest games you have your choices, crack them, buy TB or E3 (when it comes out) get an xbox (and hack it if you want). See real competition benefits everybody. Prices become cheaper so those that have held off benefit. And service improves which benefits everybody that bought that product, including the ones that bought them earlier.
You and others seem to be bemoaning that now we are getting some possible competition and stating the xbox scene to be better ignoring the fact that one of the bigger factors to the xbox scene's success is competition.
And then there is the hatred of the dongles themselves. Were you not around when we waited weeks at a time for a possible exploit only to be scammed or otherwise just plain let down? How about the part where you had to suck someone's digital dick to even get them interested? What about the thousands donated to dickbags that turned around to insult the ones that donated? Some even donated a few hundred dollars to the dickbags. What about when the dickbags called everybody warez mongrels for even thinking of wanting to play newer games? Or when most devs left citing that they had brought back otheros and everybody can just kiss their asses? See when you get down too it, TB doesn't even begin to describe the problems of the scene. For all the hatred them and Cobra are the only ones actually contributing (there's that word again). E3 may join the fray soon too. Hear that, the "big mean evil capitalists" are contributing more than the "good anti-capitalists"? When the only time they can be motivated is when there is a monster (and even then they still aren't that motivated to do something), they really don't have anything to stand on. They're actions don't match their words and their ethics have proven hypocritical and filled with double standards.
At the end of the day, the "big mean evil capitalists" have proven themselves bigger men. They aren't perfect, but I would take them any day over the "ass kissing that ultimately led us nowhere" that went on before them. If TB is a problem, it is only 1 percent of the problems plaguing this scene. And even then they have helped the scene, no matter what the dickbags have to say about it. Take them away and our scene will not get better. They have only done one thing that we couldn't do before (well we could, but it takes time and effort, something people don't feel like sacrificing), make newer games work on 3.55 cfw, they don't have some secret knowledge to make new homebrew games, no multimedia players, no operating system information. Cobra helps on multiman, but multiman's source is out on the web so others not working on it is not because Cobra is hiding multiman. More backup managers could still show up to play games, more emulators could appear. There could be plugins and other cools stuff. Custom soundtracks. Memory editors for cheating or just having fun. But none of this will happen if people are just waiting to stick it to TB. Heck, if all people are worried about is TB making moniez, then it probably wouldn't come to fruition anyway. There are a lot of things people could put their time and effort to, but they are too busy worrying about some capitalist making money and use excuses like "they're stifling the scene".
I just want it to be known that you cannot prevent somebody from learning if they have no intention of learning in the first place. It's just a poor excuse.
Originally Posted by PatrickBatman
The main thing WRONG with this scene is all the talk about whats wrong with the scene and these talkers doing nothing about it. If you have time to think of thesis/novel size posts, then you have time to learn how to code.
I'm happy with what I've got. I've got a Cobra to play my older ps1 games and the emulators to play my favorite Retro games. The thousands of PS3 games I CAN play if I want (though I don't have that many), and my xbox for games my ps3 can't play along with the dlc. I get so much stuff for free or cheap that I don't have a problem buying my games every once in a while. Too bad others can't be that thankful for what they do have. This scene is more like an abusive family. There's not much you can do about that. Sure you can code, but that won't improve the scene. Each of us has to look inside ourselves and get rid of all that gunk that makes us so abrasive to one another. Until people do that, any technological improvements we enjoy won't stop all the trollish tendencies. In fact, it will only validate their idea that if they bitch and moan enough, they'll get what they want. So they either need to grow up or get left behind outside the train of a mature scene.
@AlbedoAtoned: Sorry, but what you say about the Xbox scene is bullshit.
All the hacks are FREE!
Letīs start with the iXtreme FW: Itīs FREE, you can build your own flasher, there are diagrams on the internet.
The JTAG hack: Is FREE, opensource and and you only need some wires and resistors. The hack was created by people who do this for fun, education and the challange. tmbinc and the others, who made it, are around for decades and are one of the most skilled hackers in the world.
The RGH hack: Is FREE, GliGli and Tiros, who made it, released everything opensource and you can build all the reader/flasher/glitcher by yourself.
You are saying they are not making a softmod because they want to sell hardware?
ROFL, what a joke. You should educate yourself a little bit more about the actual hacks, before you write your lengthy, blown up and tiresome posts with wild claims and nonesense.
The RGH hack by GliGli and Tiros was one of the most genius hacks i saw in my life and you are talking about a softmod, because you are not skilled enough to build your own hardware or lack soldering skills, what a joke.
Go to xboxhacker.org, go to free60.org, go to libxenon.org, EVERYTHING is documented and open source.
In the xbox scene everybody helps out each other to get new hacks working.
Just look at this thread on xboxhacker (you have to register to watch), there are many skilled hackers who are experimenting with and optimizing the RGH hack for the new Corona Motherboards AS WE SPEAK and itīs all open and free, everybody is helping each other.
This is something the PS3 scene COMPLETELY lacks since the original exploit by Team fail0verflow.
You compares the fxxxx ps3 rip scene with the 360 scene ??? Really
Which kind of hack in the 360 scene is not open source ???
There are everything free what you need there is modchip for the gltich, in the ps3 you dont need that , but the fxxx devs an teams dont wann share how this things works as open source and rip your money with dongles.
And its not that you need one dongle no, you must need more 1 year ago tbv1 now tbv2 next year tbv3 and the first two models going useless, this is a rip !!! because the sell you this in parts step by step .
I give fxxxx about this dildos dont need this piece of shxx , for this price i have buy a jtag and ps3 exlusives 1-5 Games i will buy in the future.
Meh everyone knows that the 360 scene is better *shrugs* but there are too many things wrong with the Ps3 Scene at this point that cant be fixed. People complain about Sony owning the consoles we play but at the same time DRM companies basically have the decisions of what games you can play on the ps3 that you bought.
So by all means just accept the DRM infection by coughing up money to them or just go the 360 route but the fighting needs to stop. In the next 6months will still be dongles and there will not be a CFW so just deal with it or just go to 360 god dammit
@AlbedoAtoned: Sorry, but what you say about the Xbox scene is bullshit.
All the hacks are FREE!
Letīs start with the iXtreme FW: Itīs FREE, you can build your own flasher, there are diagrams on the internet.
The JTAG hack: Is FREE, opensource and and you only need some wires and resistors. The hack was created by people who do this for fun, education and the challange. tmbinc and the others, who made it, are around for decades and are one of the most skilled hackers in the world.
The RGH hack: Is FREE, GliGli and Tiros, who made it, released everything opensource and you can build all the reader/flasher/glitcher by yourself.
You are saying they are not making a softmod because they want to sell hardware?
ROFL, what a joke. You should educate yourself a little bit more about the actual hacks, before you write your lengthy, blown up and tiresome posts with wild claims and nonesense.
The RGH hack by GliGli and Tiros was one of the most genius hacks i saw in my life and you are talking about a softmod, because you are not skilled enough to build your own hardware or lack soldering skills, what a joke.
Go to xboxhacker.org, go to free60.org, go to libxenon.org, EVERYTHING is documented and open source.
In the xbox scene everybody helps out each other to get new hacks working.
Just look at this thread on xboxhacker (you have to register to watch), there are many skilled hackers who are experimenting with and optimizing the RGH hack for the new Corona Motherboards AS WE SPEAK and itīs all open and free, everybody is helping each other.
This is something the PS3 scene COMPLETELY lacks since the original exploit by Team fail0verflow.
You misunderstood my post. I was saying that it could very well be possible, but the people that know how, might not be releasing it. I never said any particular developers were definitely holding it back, it was just a theoretical situation. And it is also a very possible situation. Consider that the modchip makers have benefitted from the hardware solution, and knew about a software solution, why would they release it? They make money from selling modchips and a software solution would ruin that for the most part, especially if it was as easy as the wii and PS3's software solutions.
Second of all you don't just wish the components out of thin air. You need them and the equipment to build them. That still costs money, therefore it is not a free solution.
Last of all, the developers CHOSE to release their stuff open source. What would happen if they didn't release it open source? Would that mean the developers weren't having "fun, learning, and challenge"? You diminish their work as if they HAVE to release it. It's the same gun as in this scene. They're only geniuses because they give you everything you want for free, but if they deviate just one bit from that EXPECTATION, THANKFULNESS drops. And putting somebody down is the exact opposite of helping them. So what if I lack the skills and equipment. I have tremors. Badly. I had a member on this site install a modchip on my 360 and I paid him for it. And I am still thankful to him for it. You say the xbox scene is about helping one another, but you must not be part of that scene since helping one another is merely a way for you to feel superior. The scene I was a part of had people trying to help one another despite skills, and being thankful. Sure somebody may not be able to design the Reset Glitch hack, or build a modchip, but they can help in other areas and are made to feel welcome for it. The image I got from your comment wasn't a welcoming scene, but just subscene of the ps3 scene. "If you aren't an expert, go away, you aren't welcome. This is an elitist scene where you are either part of the inner circle or a warez mongrel. Can't do something, go home, you don't deserve to even think about getting helped. And don't you dare go to a damn capitalist. They're the pure devil and anyone that associates with them is satan spawn. We'll troll you and your family if you don't go open source."
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