Wave of bans starts on Playstation Network

[xPreatorianx]

ROFL - and people believed Sony wouldn't start banning people. I told you. We all decided long ago that we either got CFW or PSN. Not both. This was inevitable. Just be glad it lasted as long as it did.

EDIT:

Violation of the System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation®3 system invalidates the consumer's right to access that system. Consumers running unauthorized or pirated software may have their access to the PlayStation®Network and access to Sony Entertainment Network services through PlayStation®3 system terminated permanently.

Like hell it does. I don't recall signing any piece of paper when I bought my PS3 that says I'm licensing it or renting it from Sony. So I'll modify my PS3 anyway I see fucking fit! They don't like it, then they need to make everyone sign a legally binding document saying it's only being licensed/rented to them on day of purchase. Not when they connect to the damn network/whatever.

What took Sony so long? I barely play my PS3 online enabled games due to frakking cheaters. I hope this will at least slow them down from accessing the servers and for the others the TOS clearly states the results of using hacked content on PSN. No remorse here either. CFW in its nature is flawed and this is a prime example.

How is CFW flawed? Because it gives you more access to the system then you previously had? If so why are you even on here then? CFW is a gift that keeps on giving but for some reason your bad mouthing it. Why on earth that is considering the site your on is beyond me......

[gDrive]

ROFL - and people believed Sony wouldn't start banning people. I told you. We all decided long ago that we either got CFW or PSN. Not both. This was inevitable. Just be glad it lasted as long as it did.

EDIT:

Violation of the System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation®3 system invalidates the consumer's right to access that system. Consumers running unauthorized or pirated software may have their access to the PlayStation®Network and access to Sony Entertainment Network services through PlayStation®3 system terminated permanently.

Like hell it does. I don't recall signing any piece of paper when I bought my PS3 that says I'm licensing it or renting it from Sony. So I'll modify my PS3 anyway I see fucking fit! They don't like it, then they need to make everyone sign a legally binding document saying it's only being licensed/rented to them on day of purchase. Not when they connect to the damn network/whatever.

Well:

1. "...and people believed Sony wouldn't start banning people. " - the ban wave did happen last year around January/February 2011, when MW2 was released/still considered as "a popular game", so nothing new in terms of the whole concept, but the only known difference this time round is the application/game checks (not to be confused with application/game/patch startup logs that multiMAN clears whenever the application starts up) that the game companies/Sony have apparently been implemented in games such as Tekken Tag Tournament 2, FIFA Soccer 13 and Black Ops 2.

2. PMSL at:

Like hell it does. I don't recall signing any piece of paper when I bought my PS3 that says I'm licensing it or renting it from Sony. So I'll modify my PS3 anyway I see fucking fit! They don't like it, then they need to make everyone sign a legally binding document saying it's only being licensed/rented to them on day of purchase. Not when they connect to the damn network/whatever.

...but I have to agree on that part.

[xPreatorianx]

Well:

1. "...and people believed Sony wouldn't start banning people. " - the ban wave did happen last year around January/February 2011, when MW2 was released/still considered as "a popular game", so nothing new in terms of the whole concept, but the only known difference this time round is the application/game checks (not to be confused with application/game/patch startup logs that multiMAN clears whenever the application starts up) that the game companies/Sony have apparently been implemented in games such as Tekken Tag Tournament 2, FIFA Soccer 13 and Black Ops 2.

2. PMSL at:



...but I have to agree on that part.

Well people still thought the ban waves wouldn't come in full force. Now they know better. Doesn't bother me anyways. I never used PSN on my PS3. I usually used something like XlinkKai or simply stayed offline completely. I'm getting a Dual nand solution from Xecuter for my online needs on my 360.

About the second part - seriously Sony think they own my machine. Well they got another thing coming to them.

[brakk3n]

Like hell it does. I don't recall signing any piece of paper when I bought my PS3 that says I'm licensing it or renting it from Sony. So I'll modify my PS3 anyway I see fucking fit! They don't like it, then they need to make everyone sign a legally binding document saying it's only being licensed/rented to them on day of purchase. Not when they connect to the damn network/whatever.

How is CFW flawed? Because it gives you more access to the system then you previously had? If so why are you even on here then? CFW is a gift that keeps on giving but for some reason your bad mouthing it. Why on earth that is considering the site your on is beyond me......

I totally agree with you. For Sony to have a leg to stand on (in a perfect world) you'd be presented with a Contract before purchasing your PS3 (well, that depends on your purchasing geographical location). It's like Sony claims you've signed a contract simply by purchasing a PS3 which has the EULA that you can't possibly even read before you purchase and open the PS3 package; and then there's used systems, etc ... However, it's also your responsibility what you do with your PS3 regarding modding it.

I find the CFW for the PS3 is flawed in nature due to it's lack of functionality. Most devices (there's not a lot) that use some type of CFW add functionality and preserve the current set of features. Due to the fact the PS3 isn't really fully exploited there is a loss of functionality. Take the loss of PSN for one. One should know the FW communicates with Sony thus the end result we're seeing take place (the bans) in the last couple of months. Anyone who had a brain would realize that connecting their PS3 to the PS3 network or even the PS3 severs (without using PSN) could pose a risk. That risk and the fact you couldn't use PSN for so long and then from time to time is a prime example of limited functionality.

So I dislike CFW, but I like the “scene”. It's not like just because I dislike Cobra or TrueBlue that I should “consider using another site” (of course I like all modification related things and have no problem with Cobra or the TrueBlue Dongle). I even use CFW time to time when I visit a friend who has it to see the latest offerings. Indeed CFW does also add functionality to the PS3 such as the emulation and media playback abilities, but personally I have no use for either of those nor the need for illegally copied PS3 games. I would like to have my own games copied onto the HDD, but I will not trade that only tipping factor for the loss of features – therefor as the CFW is flawed by design it also doesn't have anything to offer to me that I could use as I already have other methods in place for my multimedia and emulating needs.

However, this ODE that might or might not be released is something that I am willing to gamble with if I either go ahead with my review of the hardware or I wait and make sure people don't start getting banned – and if I do get banned then it's my own damned fault, but I will not purposely use something that communicates with Sony even if I only use it with my own game backups when the probability of being banned from PSN is very high.

I'm a scener. I love the scenes, does that not allow me to dislike something in them?

EDIT: The "scenes" have never revolved around anything other then "games".

[xPreatorianx]

I totally agree with you. For Sony to have a leg to stand on (in a perfect world) you'd be presented with a Contract before purchasing your PS3 (well, that depends on your purchasing geographical location). It's like Sony claims you've signed a contract simply by purchasing a PS3 which has the EULA that you can't possibly even read before you purchase and open the PS3 package; and then there's used systems, etc ... However, it's also your responsibility what you do with your PS3 regarding modding it.


I find the CFW for the PS3 is flawed in nature due to it's lack of functionality. Most devices (there's not a lot) that use some type of CFW add functionality and preserve the current set of features. Due to the fact the PS3 isn't really fully exploited there is a loss of functionality. Take the loss of PSN for one. One should know the FW communicates with Sony thus the end result we're seeing take place (the bans) in the last couple of months. Anyone who had a brain would realize that connecting their PS3 to the PS3 network or even the PS3 severs (without using PSN) could pose a risk. That risk and the fact you couldn't use PSN for so long and then from time to time is a prime example of limited functionality.


So I dislike CFW, but I like the “scene”. It's not like just because I dislike Cobra or TrueBlue that I should “consider using another site” (of course I like all modification related things and have no problem with Cobra or the TrueBlue Dongle). I even use CFW time to time when I visit a friend who has it to see the latest offerings. Indeed CFW does also add functionality to the PS3 such as the emulation and media playback abilities, but personally I have no use for either of those nor the need for illegally copied PS3 games. I would like to have my own games copied onto the HDD, but I will not trade that only tipping factor for the loss of features – therefor as the CFW is flawed by design it also doesn't have anything to offer to me that I could use as I already have other methods in place for my multimedia and emulating needs.


However, this ODE that might or might not be released is something that I am willing to gamble with if I either go ahead with my review of the hardware or I wait and make sure people don't start getting banned – and if I do get banned then it's my own damned fault, but I will not purposely use something that communicates with Sony even if I only use it with my own game backups when the probability of being banned from PSN is very high.


I'm a scener. I love the scenes, does that not allow me to dislike something in them?

Ok your still rather confusing. You say PSN is the reason why CFW is flawed because it limits functionality? Then you talk about people having a brain in relation to that whole thing? You do realize that most consoles have limiting factors when it comes to hacked functionality PLUS online play. The 360 does with Jtag/RGH unless you get another NAND. Which even then I think is still risky. (not 100% sure on that.) Hell even with the DVD route for the 360 your taking a risk if you aren't extra careful. you always need to keep up to date with the FW, be damn careful with your burns, ABGX verification, street dates, etc.

PSN should not be a "main factor" when making a blanket statement saying CFW is flawed. Considering how many new features you get out of your PS3 as a result of removing or limiting PSN functionality. To say removing/limiting PSN and gaining CFW is a negative factor of the CFW is insane.

PS: Hopefully I make sense. I'm in a shit load of pain right now so I'm nowhere near the top of my game. I found out I have degenerative disc disease which is why I'm always in so much pain. (discs are getting worse as the weeks go on.)

[brakk3n]

PS: Hopefully I make sense. I'm in a shit load of pain right now so I'm nowhere near the top of my game. I found out I have degenerative disc disease which is why I'm always in so much pain. (discs are getting worse as the weeks go on.)

Sorry you're in pain and I understand chronic illness. It sucks. Pain meds suck too; they make you feel stoned 24/7.

I listed PSN as one of the factors because it's a popular topic now and that I am actually using it as of late. I do realize and fully understand what has happened in the XBOX scene regarding their Live service and banning.

So I'll elaborate more on why I believe CFW is flawed. Bricks. Many users who do not understand the process of flashing and/or upgrading to current CFW are getting bricks. Personally, with all I've read I had to have a developer tell me you need to downgrade -> dehash -> flash OFW -> flash CFW 3.xx/4.xx. Then some CFW readme's (if they even exist) don't mention dehashing, going back to OFW 3.55 or anything. Then I think Rogero you can upgrade the CFW without this, but only after a certain version. Now, I am lucky enough to know the URL's to scene sites, have access to the Internet, etc ... There's lot's of folks who can obtain the CFW (from a torrent or usenet), but then just go flash it. Sure, it's their fault for not reading up on what they're doing, but I've even seen releases meant to brick consoles not to mention the accidental bricks that still some people cannot explain. Sure, you can blame the person, or the CFW author or the scene in general for not having resources for things, but you can also blame the CFW for not making sure and not installing itself it certain factors would lead to a brick. Is this even possible? I've been told no. So that's a flaw. I've yet to get bricked by an OFW and yes I know it has happened (without pulling the power).

Another flaw would be lack of features. *Sometimes* OFW adds new features and I know with the recent exploits allowing newer OFW to be hacked won't be such a big problem as before, but there's still the time gap and the fact some of the new functionality (cloud saves for example) require PSN. Sure, maybe some people don't mind the trade-off of functionality for functionality, but ideally a firmware for a fully exploited system would retain all original functionality and then allow the execution of unsigned code. The PS3 CFW is sort of a mess; therefor as I mentioned before the fact I really don't need any of the functionality it adds and want the functionality it removes I personally have no use for it. If I did I'd simply get another PS3.

Just because you don't like one Nintendo DS flashcard doesn't mean you're out of the scene. Lastly, back to your on-line play; I know things change and you can't have stuff exactly the same with previous generations of consoles and CFW (Wii & PSP for example), but this is the best there is and lots of people are cool with that and that's cool with me. If I had some reason to use CFW I would be damn glad it existed. However, I don't.

[master737373]

So I'll elaborate more on why I believe CFW is flawed. Bricks. Many users who do not understand the process of flashing and/or upgrading to current CFW are getting bricks. Personally, with all I've read I had to have a developer tell me you need to downgrade -> dehash -> flash OFW -> flash CFW 3.xx/4.xx. Then some CFW readme's (if they even exist) don't mention dehashing, going back to OFW 3.55 or anything. Then I think Rogero you can upgrade the CFW without this, but only after a certain version. Now, I am lucky enough to know the URL's to scene sites, have access to the Internet, etc ... There's lot's of folks who can obtain the CFW (from a torrent or usenet), but then just go flash it. Sure, it's their fault for not reading up on what they're doing, but I've even seen releases meant to brick consoles not to mention the accidental bricks that still some people cannot explain. Sure, you can blame the person, or the CFW author or the scene in general for not having resources for things, but you can also blame the CFW for not making sure and not installing itself it certain factors would lead to a brick. Is this even possible? I've been told no. So that's a flaw. I've yet to get bricked by an OFW and yes I know it has happened (without pulling the power).

Another flaw would be lack of features. *Sometimes* OFW adds new features and I know with the recent exploits allowing newer OFW to be hacked won't be such a big problem as before, but there's still the time gap and the fact some of the new functionality (cloud saves for example) require PSN. Sure, maybe some people don't mind the trade-off of functionality for functionality, but ideally a firmware for a fully exploited system would retain all original functionality and then allow the execution of unsigned code. The PS3 CFW is sort of a mess; therefor as I mentioned before the fact I really don't need any of the functionality it adds and want the functionality it removes I personally have no use for it. If I did I'd simply get another PS3.

CFW is not flawed. The only thing a cfw has to bring is the ability to run unsigned code and not brick without the users input. If a user bricks the console, it's their fault. You can't blame the cfw.

[Raymond Hein]

I'll be honest i like xbox 360 for my online play i can live without the ps3 online play so if i get banned i wont lose any sleep over it. all i know is i like this site and i love the community here. and when i use the stuff here i make the choice to use and risk my online play or my system although i'll probly adsk 3 times to make sure its absolutly safe lol.

[and_fis]

I have been reading over alot of different sites and here is the concensus.. Trayarc makers of bo2 sent all their findings to sony and that is how the ban hammer happend. Then their are the small few that were using modded eboots that got banned. Also the 3,200 sex offenders that were banned from all consoles this week as well. I think it is just all this rolled into a big ball and timed together that made this appear as a ban wave.

[PatrickBatman]

Oh man Prea! Christ that's fucking terrible, i've missed you around here. At the very least now you have an answer to your pain, not that it makes it any better. Have some beers and morphine on me.